[nSLUG] nSLUG Digest, Vol 608, Issue 1

Frank Geitzler frank.geitzler at ns.sympatico.ca
Sun Aug 9 15:34:56 ADT 2015


On Sun, 2015-08-09 at 17:06 +0000, chris thompson wrote:

> I think I will be making an effort to attend tomorrow night. So long
> as she has a USB key I can assist.
> 
> Re: Ubuntu not updating, if it's backed up I recommend a new install
> and restore the backed up home contents. If you insist on an upgrade
> do so from the cli so you have verbose output on errors.... possibly
> even tail the sys logs while it's going.
> 
> Christopher 
> 

Thanks, Gerald and Chris.  I am persuaded that an install (probably
14.04 -I will recreated the DVD today, as I loaned the original to a
friend).  My only problem might be the /home directory, which is
encrypted.  I am researching how to remove the encryption, before I do
an install.  Hope to see some of you tomorrow evening at Uncommon
Grounds.
Frank

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> On Sun, Aug 9, 2015, 11:58 AM  <nslug-request at nslug.ns.ca> wrote:
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>            1. Re:  Laptop Dual-Boot Request (Ben Armstrong)
>            2.  Ubuntu -Unable to use Update Manager to upgrade from
>         Ubuntu
>               10.04 to 12.04 (Frank Geitzler)
>            3. Re:  Ubuntu -Unable to use Update Manager to upgrade
>         from
>               Ubuntu 10.04 to 12.04 (G. MacNeil)
>            4. Re:  fdisk style tool for GPT (Oliver Doepner)
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>         Message: 1
>         Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 13:16:22 -0300
>         From: Ben Armstrong <synergism at gmail.com>
>         To: Nova Scotia Linux User Group <nslug at nslug.ns.ca>
>         Subject: Re: [nSLUG] Laptop Dual-Boot Request
>         Message-ID: <55C62B56.7050002 at gmail.com>
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>         
>         I'm sure Richard meant to send this to the list instead of
>         nslug-owner:
>         
>         On 08/08/15 10:03 AM, Richard Bonner wrote:
>         > Hi, Everyone.
>         >
>         >   I have a friend who would like her Win 8 laptop
>         dual-booted with
>         > Linux. She wants to bring it to Monday night's meeting along
>         with some
>         > bootable flashdrives or discs. Is anyone up for helping here
>         with this?
>         >
>         > Richard
>         >
>         
>         
>         
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>         
>         Message: 2
>         Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2015 16:09:02 -0300
>         From: Frank Geitzler <frank.geitzler at ns.sympatico.ca>
>         To: "nslug at nslug.ns.ca" <nslug at nslug.ns.ca>
>         Subject: [nSLUG] Ubuntu -Unable to use Update Manager to
>         upgrade from
>                 Ubuntu 10.04 to 12.04
>         Message-ID: <1439060942.1823.13.camel at frank-laptop>
>         Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>         
>         I waited too long to do this upgrade, and now have the message
>         "Your
>         Ubuntu release is not supported anymore".  That message could
>         not be
>         closed, but could be moved from the center of the screen.  I
>         did a
>         backup of my /home partition yesterday.  When I attempted to
>         use Update
>         Manager to review outstanding updates and upgrade to Ubuntu
>         12.04, which
>         is required before upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04, the Update
>         manager was
>         visible, but 'greyed-out' and updates could not be browsed.
>         The
>         'Install updates' button was visible, and the default was
>         checked, but
>         did not appear effective.  I clicked on it anyway, but did not
>         appear to
>         do anything.  I was unable to close the Update Manager window
>         by
>         pressing the 'Close' button, but when I right-clicked on the
>         title bar
>         and selected 'Close', I received the warning "The window
>         "Update
>         Manager" is not responding.  Forcing this application to quit
>         will cause
>         you to lose any unsaved changes".  Should I just shut down
>         anyway, to
>         close everything down, or what other action should I take?
>         Can I
>         upgrade safely without using Upgrade Manager?
>         Thanks,
>         Frank
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>         Message: 3
>         Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2015 21:24:04 -0300
>         From: "G. MacNeil" <macneil.g at gmail.com>
>         To: Nova Scotia Linux User Group <nslug at nslug.ns.ca>
>         Subject: Re: [nSLUG] Ubuntu -Unable to use Update Manager to
>         upgrade
>                 from Ubuntu 10.04 to 12.04
>         Message-ID: <55C69DA4.4040700 at gmail.com>
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>         
>         The advise I see says you would be better off getting an
>         Ubuntu 14.04
>         Disk and re-installing.  There have been too many changes to
>         make it
>         worthwhile to do a step wise upgrade.  That is the reason
>         those buttons
>         are greyed out.  Standard Debian operations (ie. apt-get et
>         al) will not
>         work either.
>         
>         Ubuntu will not touch your $HOME directory on the re-install,
>         it is
>         system software after all. It will install over the top of an
>         existing
>         installation at your option, or slice off a new partition if
>         instructed.  It *should* detect the old Ubuntu install and act
>         appropriately in the first case. It also *should* migrate your
>         settings
>         when you log into the new system in both cases.  I bet their
>         success
>         rate is really low unless you are on an all Intel system with
>         no
>         non-free components (Broadcom wireless, for instance).
>         
>         I have *never* successfully installed Ubuntu 14.04 on one of
>         my
>         computers because they all have legacy Nvidia cards and
>         nouveau is a
>         piece of crap. And I believe that if you have a computer that
>         ran Ubuntu
>         12.04 or earlier, Ubuntu 14.04 will not run as well because of
>         the age
>         of the hardware. It's like they do not want to support legacy
>         hardware
>         ... perhaps preferring to support their phones instead. Unless
>         there is
>         a reason you *must* upgrade,don't do it.
>         
>         If flash and your browser are giving you grief, get the new
>         versions
>         from Google/Mozilla and Adobe instead, do what they tell you
>         to do and
>         ignore anything Ubuntu tells you.
>         
>         If you do have a Nvidia video card, my advise would be to get
>         a disk
>         with the latest Mint (17.2 I believe). Both Mint 16 and Mint
>         17 migrated
>         nicely for me, 17.2 gets lots of nice murmurs.  There are also
>         several
>         other "light" distros more appropriate for legacy hardware
>         than Ubuntu
>         14.04.
>         
>         Personally, after trying a whole bunch (20 distros or so, I
>         suppose. I
>         had a steady supply of magazine disks), I immediatly went back
>         to Debian
>         as soon as the Cinnamon Destop from Mint was available.  I
>         like my
>         desktop to be a desktop; not a laptop, not a pad and certainly
>         not a
>         phone. My very oldest computers that do not support a
>         Composting Desktop
>         Manager (also required for Ubuntu 14.04) do very well with
>         MATE, also
>         from the Mint guys and available in Debian.
>         
>         If you have been using the Gnome 2 Desktop, then the MATE
>         Desktop is by
>         far your best option no matter what the distro.
>         
>         Gerard
>         
>         
>         On 08/08/2015 04:09 PM, Frank Geitzler wrote:
>         > I waited too long to do this upgrade, and now have the
>         message "Your
>         > Ubuntu release is not supported anymore".  That message
>         could not be
>         > closed, but could be moved from the center of the screen.  I
>         did a
>         > backup of my /home partition yesterday.  When I attempted to
>         use
>         > Update Manager to review outstanding updates and upgrade to
>         Ubuntu
>         > 12.04, which is required before upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04,
>         the Update
>         > manager was visible, but 'greyed-out' and updates could not
>         be
>         > browsed.  The 'Install updates' button was visible, and the
>         default
>         > was checked, but did not appear effective.  I clicked on it
>         anyway,
>         > but did not appear to do anything.  I was unable to close
>         the Update
>         > Manager window by pressing the 'Close' button, but when I
>         > right-clicked on the title bar and selected 'Close', I
>         received the
>         > warning "The window "Update Manager" is not responding.
>         Forcing this
>         > application to quit will cause you to lose any unsaved
>         changes".
>         > Should I just shut down anyway, to close everything down, or
>         what
>         > other action should I take?  Can I upgrade safely without
>         using
>         > Upgrade Manager?
>         > Thanks,
>         > Frank
>         >
>         >
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>         Message: 4
>         Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 22:52:13 -0300
>         From: Oliver Doepner <odoepner at gmail.com>
>         To: Nova Scotia Linux User Group <nslug at nslug.ns.ca>
>         Subject: Re: [nSLUG] fdisk style tool for GPT
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>         Regarding ntsysv look-alike for systemd:
>         Have you tried this? (I haven't)
>         https://github.com/chunhualiu/sc
>         
>         On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 12:04 PM, D G Teed
>         <donald.teed at gmail.com> wrote:
>         
>         > I just learned of gdisk.  Finally someone made
>         > a sensible tool.  Yay for Rod Smith!
>         >
>         > There is no reason why the simplicity of fdisk
>         > needed to be lost when GPT came around.
>         >
>         > Likewise for ntsysv.  There is no reason it can't be
>         > remade for systemd.  Debian still has rcconf with systemd.
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>         --
>         Oliver Doepner
>         http://oliver.doepner.net/
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