[nSLUG] How to avoid systemd in Debian 8 "Jessie"

Oliver Doepner odoepner at gmail.com
Sun Apr 26 21:23:01 ADT 2015

Interesting comment on slashdot about Redhat's agenda with systemd:

"we're heading for a corporate endgame where the GPL is run-around due to
systemd. It's the goal of pushing kdbus into the kernel as well as sucking
in everything from dns to a time server into systemd. Their corporate
clients have the issue of shipping proprietary software & the LGPL on
linux, but if it's just communicating with all the libraries as a service,

On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 9:12 PM, Oliver Doepner <odoepner at gmail.com> wrote:

> You are right, Ben. Reading the release notes is best. I just thought I'd
> start this discussion on nslug right away, in case someone here has already
> been through the same.
> Regarding systemd itself and whether it deserves my aversion: I think it
> does too much, too many binaries, adds unnecessary complexity and is
> maintained by a small group of relatively arrogant developers at Redhat.
> I try to keep my system simple and considering the mess / pain that other
> Poettering services have caused (pulseaudio, avahi, ...) without adding
> very much improved functionality, I tend to doubt the benefit, not give the
> benefit of the doubt.
> I especially don't like the feature creep and how the various daemons
> depend on each other in subtle ways.
> Thanks
> Oliver
> On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 6:14 PM, Stephen Gregory <nslug at kernelpanic.ca>
> wrote:
>> On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 9:28 AM, Oliver Doepner <odoepner at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Debian 8 "Jessie" was released yesterday.
>> oh good. :)
>> > It is the first release that uses systemd as the default init
>> replacement.
>> >
>> > Does anyone know how I can avoid systemd ?
>> I don't know why you would want to avoid systemd. I honestly do no
>> understand the hate towards systemd. It does bring some nice features
>> to desktops. (IMHO it is no better no worst for servers.) There is a
>> learning curve, but it is all documented. In the long term, as it is
>> the debian default, it will be easier to run systemd than not systemd.
>> I use Debian at home with sysV init (and the excellent XFCE). At work
>> I manage Centos 6 and 7 which both use systemd, and two versions of
>> Ubuntu LTS which use upstart. Most of the time I just don't care which
>> init system is used.
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> Oliver Doepner
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Oliver Doepner
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