[nSLUG] perl and web sites

Oliver Doepner odoepner at gmail.com
Fri Feb 28 22:58:35 AST 2014

ben, the jetbrains link you sent is for the "ultimate edition" of intellij.
the free / open source "community edition" has no rails support.

On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Robin Murray <nibor.yarrum at gmail.com>wrote:

> I don't have much experience with any framework (I come from a long
> mainframe background and web sites weren't their main stock-in-trade), but
> I've always felt a bit of aversion to them, it appears for the same reasons
> you are stating - they are great for getting a web site off the ground
> fast, but as you grow they may start to drag on your progress. I'm not sure
> if that's valid generally but it's interesting to see your opinions from
> actual experience.
> --
> Robin Murray
> Hatchet Lake,
> Nova Scotia
> Canada
> On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Ben Armstrong <
> synrg at sanctuary.nslug.ns.ca> wrote:
>> On 27/02/14 11:29 AM, Robin Murray wrote:
>> > Also, I was wondering how many perl vs ruby programmers are on this list
>> > or people generally know. Is rails really more popular than perl now? It
>> > is hard to find good perl programmers in Halifax, but are ruby
>> > programmers correspondingly falling out of the woodwork there?
>> I'm a rubyist writing a lot of ruby code, some of it rails at work. I
>> also have prior experience in perl, though much of that has fallen into
>> disuse since we started writing new things in ruby.
>> I can't say anything about relative popularity in Halifax, neither
>> having sought a job in it, nor having looked to hire anyone in the
>> period since I started using it. I can only say I've found my experience
>> using ruby overall positive, and I believe the quality of our code
>> written in it has gone up since we moved away from our hodgepodge of
>> code written in perl. But that may have at least as much to do with
>> other factors (learning more modern coding methodologies; at least
>> paying lip service to "agile" practices ;) during the same period of
>> time as the language choice.
>> As for specifically my experience with rails, it has fairly drawn some
>> criticism for attracting fanboys who equate ruby with rails, and are
>> heavily dependent on using that framework to get anything done. I would
>> avoid hiring anyone like that.
>> I'm not convinced that rails is all that and a slice of bread. I am
>> intrigued by lighter frameworks like sinatra, and wonder if it were
>> possible to turn back the clock if we would have chosen something like
>> that instead. I'm finding particularly over time, we do things less and
>> less the "rails way" (for reasons I can't really get into here). Sure, a
>> framework can make deploying new code rather speedy, but over time, it
>> can start to accumulate baggage that limits your future choices.
>> Ben
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