[nSLUG] Richard Stallman in Halifax

Rich budman85 at eastlink.ca
Fri Jan 30 14:46:53 AST 2009


Daniel Morrison wrote:
>   
>>> Challenge: name a "freedom" which is not permitted by Free software.
>>> Hint: a restriction (i.e. the right to restrict distribution of
>>> portions of the software, such as the source, is not a freedom).
>>>       
>
>   
>> Here's a restriction not permitted by Free software: linking
>> proprietary code to code licensed under the GPL... or the TiVo drama
>> in GPLv3. I can't make use of your code even if I leave it open. How
>> is that Free?
>>     
>
> False argument. You can link proprietary code to GPL code all you want.
> You just can not redistribute the result. That would be restricting others'
> freedoms.  You can, however, redistribute your Free code along with Free
> instructions so that others may perform the same linking that you did.  That
> way everyone else can enjoy the same freedoms you do.
>
>   

Correct. Your wording is much clearer. :)


> 2009/1/30 David Payne <david at payneful.ca>:
>   
>> Software released under the GPL has a restriction, you can't make
>> derivative copies and release your copies without access to the source
>> code.  In most peoples eyes this is a *good* restriction, but it's a
>> restriction none the less.  Truly free software would be in the public
>> domain.
>>     
>
> Again, freedoms apply to people, not to things.  Free software is software
> which does not interdict people's freedoms. Public domain software does not
> interdict people's freedoms, but it can change to proprietary software in the
> blink of an eye. Free software, yes, restricts you in the sense that it
> prevents you from restricting other people's freedoms. Apart from that, you
> can do whatever the hell you want with it.
>
>   
Also, public domain restricts you from editing and disting your own version.


>> Not being aloud to release software without source code is less freedom
>> than being able to do what ever you want with the software.
>>     
>
> I'll concede this, but I'll only say that the philosophy behind Free
> software simply places greater value on community freedoms than individual
> freedoms, and in so doing guarantees that Free software grants almost
> unlimited freedoms to everyone.  Public domain software grants unlimited
> freedom to you, including the right to limit other people's freedoms.
>
> Look, guys, I'm not RMS' lapdog. These are complex and weighty issues, and I'm
> not even sure that I'm completely convinced.  But when I read some of what is
> said, and think: "There's something wrong with this... how would RMS respond?"
> I can't help but to give it a try. And much like RMS, I find an inexplicable
> resistance.  What is it that you just don't get here?
>
>   

You done good. :)






Rich
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