[nSLUG] Measured wattage of atom system
draker at gmail.com
Tue Sep 16 18:02:23 ADT 2008
2008/9/16 D G Teed <donald.teed at gmail.com>:
> On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 3:47 PM, Daniel Morrison <draker at gmail.com> wrote:
> What I last learned about solar panels is the raw materials to make
> them do not exist in quantities to power high quanities of homes.
> This was said on Quirks and Quarks a few years ago.
Are you a naysayer also? Solar PV is impossible, so let's not try alternative
>> Man, I hope not. Electricity is a high-grade energy; using it for heat is a
>> poor choice.
> Have you tried drying your clothes on the line in winter?
> How about walking from Chester to Wolfville as some people did years back?
Haven't done this one.
> Or if you can afford a horse and the space to keep one or two,
> are you up for the daily commute on an animal? If you want to bring
I'm sorry, what's your point here? My "animal" for the daily commute is a
20-year old bicycle.
> back trains, we need an energy source other than coal. I can't see
> us going back to how we used to do things. There will be power mowers,
> laundry machines, chain saws, electric well water pumps, lights,
> plus stuff that never existed before, demanding more electrical power.
> You can't put the genie back in the bottle, unless perhaps it is preceeded
> by a great amount of social and infrastructure breakdown and chaos.
That was the (peaceful or violent) revolution I mentioned.
Again, what is your point?
> The one thing I can see changing is the global nature of the economy.
> It could mean the end of the bargain "loonie" stores and the return
> of things built right in your home town, more local foods, less trawler
> dragging. It might be a sort of blessing.
> I don't think solar, tide and wind power are bad. I wish they
> could do it all, but I'm afraid the picture many have is based on
> the status quo where we merely displace the coal generating stations.
Agreed. That was my 'option 1'. Option 2 was "a great amount of social and
infrastructure"... let's say "upheaval" rather than "breakdown and chaos".
> I think the media and political types gathering around windmills
> and the like are political stances and nice talk about a
> positive view of our future, but they are not grounded in a realistic
> estimation of our energy needs.
Slacktivism. We're only going to be in power 4 years, and we only need to be
popular until the election.
I'm no Obamamaniac, but it _is_ refreshing to hear a mainstream politician
_actually_talk_ about the long term future (e.g. 100 years), as he did in his
nomination acceptance speech.
> BTW, I wonder why they plant just one windmill at various locations.
> It is almost like a sort of sign post that tells everyone "don't try this
> at home - you can't afford one of these", while in reality smaller
> scale wind power solutions are available.
Totally. I don't think the 'replace a central fossil fuel generating plant
with a renewable one' realistically has a chance of working well, especially
in the long term. I think small-scale household or small community systems
are much more likely. Give the control of the power generation to the
individuals who are actually using it, and all of a sudden, pride in good
work, and conservation of resources becomes an automatic tendency.
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