[nSLUG] MacOS was: Dell Inspiron 1525N w/ Ubuntu 8.04?

Joe Dunn me at joedunn.com
Thu Aug 14 12:01:03 ADT 2008

I'm going to totally disagree.

The opensource tools on OS X are great, especially when combined with ports
or Fink. I'm not sure what issues you ran into that Apple put up the big red
stop light but it hasn't happened to be yet.

Out of box you have terminal, nfs, smb, dav, zfs. A mac will pretty much
mount anything. With macfuse you can mount your remote ssh box with sshfs.

Almost all day to day command line tools are available from macports I find
and compiling from source isn't all that bad either.

With the option to have vmware running linux and mac side by side, I'm
unsure as to what you could be missing. Unity mode in b2.2 is pretty stable.

Can you elaborate as to what you were missing? I'm truly interested. I find
apple for all the marketing crap they do supports a lot of open source

Apple developers are involved in the macosforge project and help out all the

X11 isn't perfect, especially in Leopard but the apps work.

Any who


On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Stephen Gregory <nslug at kernelpanic.ca>wrote:

> MacOS is nice and all, but it is no Linux. And while it has a BSD
> layer it has about as much in common with a modern *nix as Windows
> does.
> I used MacOS both at work and at home for over a year. I have since
> replaced both machines with Ubuntu. Proponents of MacOS claim that it
> "just works." It doesn't. It works no better and no worst then any
> other modern OS. MacOS has a whole host of annoyances just like the
> other operating systems. I found MacOS fine as long as I worked
> exactly the way that Apple envisioned. As soon as I tried to work
> beyond those bounds I ran into frustration. I have long ranted against
> Gnome for being overly restrictive and only supporting the "Gnome
> way." However compared to MacOS, Gnome is far more accomodating for
> the (even only slightly) savvy user. My biggest frustration with MacOS
> was when something didn't work there was next to nothing that I could
> do to figure out what.
> From a philosophical point of view MacOS is no better then
> Windows. Both companies try very hard to control the user. If anything
> Apple is even more secretive and controlling then Microsoft.
> There is not a strong communinity of opensource MacOS developers
> despite the availability of Mac/DarwinPorts. While most *nix software
> works it often feels bolted on. The *nix tools and the MacOS
> gui fell like two isolated environments.
> MacOS is not a bad operating system, but it is not Linux. MacOS is
> fine as long as you don't mind limiting yourself to the "Apple Way."
> Linux does a far better job at presenting the full power of a computer
> to the user.
> --
> sg
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