[nSLUG] Re: On irrelevant linux questions and taking things seriously
mikegpc at gmail.com
Thu Apr 12 08:40:21 ADT 2007
Ok, I'm curious.... What is the Samba installation and initialization
sequence for Ubuntu 6.10. I can't seem to find it of the forums for Ubuntu.
On 4/12/07, D G Teed <donald.teed at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 4/11/07, Mike Spencer <mspencer at tallships.ca> wrote:
> > I won't quote any of the recent posts lest the author think, wrongly,
> > that I'm taking a personal run at the individual. But WRT the mention
> > of "professional" vs. "hobbyist"...
> > The notion of "professional" does not partition the universe into two
> > parts -- "professional" and the remainder "hobbyist". I'm not a
> > professional programmer altho my name is on the official alumni list
> > for Project Athena. I'm not a professional auto mechanic altho I did
> > it full time for several years. I'm not a profession millwright, nor
> > farmer nor carpenter nor biochemist but I have varying chops for all
> > of those.
> > A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an
> > invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write
> > a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort
> > the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone,
> > solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program
> > a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die
> > gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
> > -- Robert Heinlein "Time Enough For Love"
> > So please don't dis and condescendingly dismiss everyone who isn't a
> > "professional" as a "hobbyist".
> > I encounter this same thing on the blacksmithing list (and I do think
> > of myself as a profession artist-blacksmith.) A few individuals seem
> > to think that if one isn't running a metalworking business, not
> > "summoning the aspect and taking on the attribute" of a business
> > operator, one must be a mere hobbyist.
> > If you do what you love, if you take your Bucky Fuller antientropic
> > imperative to the workbench, if you follow any one of a number of wise
> > people's guides to living, you probably won't fit easily into *any*
> > "professional" role but neither will what you do be easily dismissed
> > as a hobby.
> > There. Now I feel better. :-)
> I actually know what you mean. I was there too. I had sought to master
> all of the
> stuff you'd cover in sysadmin roles on a home server, and in job
> interviews, they
> would say "well you have done a number of things as a hobbyist which are
> There are some differences in the level of challenges. I never saw
> anything sitting in my
> postfix queue at home no matter how many people I gave accounts to. But
> when you get
> into a scale of 9000 users and half of them are over quota, and there are
> to 1 million incoming messages a day, it presents a different situation to
> managing postfix queues. Knowing how to set up things is one part of the
> knowledge, but there is still more to cope with on the professional level.
> There is also a difference in level of freedom. At home, I can install
> anything. Pure freedom.
> At work, we debated Linux distros, informed sys admins versus naive
> managers, and
> eventually Debian was picked. Then a manager was let go, and eventually
> the other
> manager picked Redhat. A big reason this happened is that the Debian
> old kernel would not support recent hardware - something a manager
> (Yes there are ways around that, but this manager is a Windows guy and
> like non-standard installation methods.)
> There is also a challenge of supporting legacy stuff. I have to work with
> FreeBSD 4.11 and
> Solaris 6 thru 10. Half of it shouldn't be that ancient, but it is what I
> was given.
> I might ask a question on how to deal with some challenge on an ancient
> and a hobbyist level user might respond, "why don't you install distro X?"
> Easy for a hobbyist level user to consider. Very complicated for legacy
> installations (has to happen, but not this month or maybe year).
> There are differences between production server and hobby box, and what
> you can consider doing on each, and this is a real line which influences
> how work is done, and what options a person can consider.
> So perhaps with that, you can understand my perspective a little more.
> At home I am a hobbyist. I think I've said that before. It has nothing
> to do with
> a lower grade of human. I've said that hobbyist are where the cutting
> is for much development related efforts, and I believe that.
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