[nSLUG] Re: On irrelevant linux questions and taking things seriously

Michael Gillie mikegpc at gmail.com
Thu Apr 12 08:40:21 ADT 2007

Ok, I'm curious.... What is the Samba installation and initialization
sequence for Ubuntu 6.10. I can't seem to find it of the forums for Ubuntu.

On 4/12/07, D G Teed <donald.teed at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 4/11/07, Mike Spencer <mspencer at tallships.ca> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I won't quote any of the recent posts lest the author think, wrongly,
> > that I'm taking a  personal run at the individual. But WRT the mention
> > of "professional" vs. "hobbyist"...
> >
> > The notion of "professional" does not partition the universe into two
> > parts -- "professional" and the remainder "hobbyist".  I'm not a
> > professional programmer altho my name is on the official alumni list
> > for Project Athena.  I'm not a professional auto mechanic altho I did
> > it full time for several years.  I'm not a profession millwright, nor
> > farmer nor carpenter nor biochemist but I have varying chops for all
> > of those.
> >
> >        A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an
> >        invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write
> >        a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort
> >        the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone,
> >        solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program
> >        a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die
> >        gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
> >
> >                              -- Robert Heinlein "Time Enough For Love"
> >
> > So please don't dis and condescendingly dismiss everyone who isn't a
> > "professional" as a "hobbyist".
> >
> > I encounter this same thing on the blacksmithing list (and I do think
> > of myself as a profession artist-blacksmith.) A few individuals seem
> > to think that if one isn't running a metalworking business, not
> > "summoning the aspect and taking on the attribute" of a business
> > operator, one must be a mere hobbyist.
> >
> > If you do what you love, if you take your Bucky Fuller antientropic
> > imperative to the workbench, if you follow any one of a number of wise
> > people's guides to living, you probably won't fit easily into *any*
> > "professional" role but neither will what you do be easily dismissed
> > as a hobby.
> >
> > There.  Now I feel better. :-)
> >
> >
> >
> I actually know what you mean.  I was there too.  I had sought to master
> all of the
> stuff you'd cover in sysadmin roles on a home server, and in job
> interviews, they
> would say "well you have done a number of things as a hobbyist which are
> interesting".
> Argh!
> There are some differences in the level of challenges.  I never saw
> anything sitting in my
> postfix queue at home no matter how many people I gave accounts to.  But
> when you get
> into a scale of 9000 users and half of them are over quota, and there are
> 500,000
> to 1 million incoming messages a day, it presents a different situation to
> managing postfix queues.  Knowing how to set up things is one part of the
> knowledge, but there is still more to cope with on the professional level.
> There is also a difference in level of freedom.  At home, I can install
> anything.  Pure freedom.
> At work, we debated Linux distros, informed sys admins versus naive
> managers, and
> eventually Debian was picked.  Then a manager was let go, and eventually
> the other
> manager picked Redhat.  A big reason this happened is that the Debian
> installer's
> old kernel would not support recent hardware - something a manager
> witnessed.
> (Yes there are ways around that, but this manager is a Windows guy and
> doesn't
> like non-standard installation methods.)
> There is also a challenge of supporting legacy stuff.  I have to work with
> FreeBSD 4.11 and
> Solaris 6 thru 10.  Half of it shouldn't be that ancient, but it is what I
> was given.
> I might ask a question on how to deal with some challenge on an ancient
> OS,
> and a hobbyist level user might respond, "why don't you install distro X?"
> Easy for a hobbyist level user to consider.  Very complicated for legacy
> installations (has to happen, but not this month or maybe year).
> There are differences between production server and hobby box, and what
> you can consider doing on each, and this is a real line which influences
> how work is done, and what options a person can consider.
> So perhaps with that, you can understand my perspective a little more.
> At home I am a hobbyist.  I think I've said that before.  It has nothing
> to do with
> a lower grade of human.  I've said that hobbyist are where the cutting
> edge
> is for much development related efforts, and I believe that.
> --Donald
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