[nSLUG] Thoughts on Ubuntu....

Scott Walker crimson at unspeakable.org
Tue May 3 12:19:57 ADT 2005

Thanks or the good response.

Personally, I'm not interested in Gnome or KDE (blech, Can't stand 
either.) I will be putting E16.5 (and prob E17 for testing) on it.

My may concern is, upgradeability. I like Debian cause with each new 
realise, I can apt-get dist-upgrade to the newest version. With Ubuntu's 
development cycle being 6 months, I want to make sure every 6 months I 
can update.

As for hardware, it would be on 2 machines.

P4 2.8Ghz (800FSB)
1G DDR400 Dual Channel
SATA Drive
ATI FireGL V5100 128M Video Card

And a

P4 2.8Ghz (800FSB)
1.5G DDR400 Dual Channel
SATA DRive (Raid 1 array)
Nvidia 6800OC 256M Video Card.

Artson wrote:
> On 2 May 2005 at 13:40, Scott Walker wrote:
>>What are peoples thoughts on Ubuntu?
>>Upgrade procuedure from 1 version of Ubuntu to the next.
>>How Debian like is it?
>>Short comings?
>>I'm interesting in trying it out, but I would like to gather some
>>thoughts on it before I potentially waste my time.
> Hi Scott.
> I gave Ubuntu a trial and generally, I liked it quite a bit. The install dialogue is pretty 
> simple and straight-forward and it comes up nicely in a Gnome desktop that is fairly 
> nicely configured right out of the box. It did a pretty good job of recognizing my 
> hardware including an old sound card. (I've listed my hardware at the bottom.) It tries 
> very hard to be simple, straight-forward and easy to use for novice to experienced 
> users in a desktop environment.
> There is a lot of positive comment about Ubuntu and it's because people are having 
> a good experience with it. There is a potential difficulty with Ubuntu and distributions 
> like it such as Mepis. Their software repositories are potentially in conflict with the 
> main Debian repository and there is a good chance of version problems, especially if 
> the user dips into the main Debian repository for that latest program they just have to 
> have.
> I don't run it for three reasons:
> a. I don't much like Gnome - it's slow on my hardware, the configuration options don't 
> suit me and I'm unimpressed with the attitudes of the developers.  Your mileage may 
> vary,
> b. I didn't like the pseudo super user setup. I found it very awkward to get things 
> done that needed root priviliges, and
> c. Ubuntu didn't configure my internet access properly. The setup program could see 
> that I had a modem (two actually) and that I didn't have a network card, yet it insisted 
> on using its standard settings, assuming I would have a broadband network hookup 
> instead of dialup. The software required for setting up ppp was not loaded and 
> installed, nor was it available on the CD - I had to go get it from the Debian 
> repository. In this area, Ubuntu failed miserably and the reason it failed is because 
> the developers all access the internet through a network. D'uh.
> That being said, I would still recommend Ubuntu or Mepis. I run Mepis and like it a 
> lot. I've paid the developer his license fee ($14.00 -??) with pleasure. The developer 
> has been absolutely brilliant at polishing all the setup scripts to make sure everything 
> "just works" and it works quickly. Ubuntu is not slow, but there is a definite snap, 
> crackle and pop with Mepis. Mepis uses KDE as the desktop and I prefer its speed 
> and configurability. I find it easy to hide the clutter and simplify the menus so they 
> are tailored to me. I couldn't do this with Gnome - especially changing software 
> menus (I know it's possible but what an absolute pain in the ass!!).
> Mepis setup inferred I would connect to the internet using dialup and the ppp dialer 
> was available for me. It was almost as good about modems as Mandrake was. I've 
> forgotten if Ubuntu will allow the Reiser file system, but Mepis does. Both Ubuntu 
> and Mepis are working very hard to be the desktop for the common man, and I think 
> they're succeeding. When the users speak, the developers listen, adjust and 
> improve things. That responsiveness is what will make them a success.
> If you don't like the Gnome desktop, Ubuntu now comes as Kubuntu, using KDE and 
> the Kppp dialer (hooray!)
> My hardware is:
> AMD K-6 cpu at 300 mhz
> Very old motherboard by Tekram 
> 256 megs of ram
> ATI 3D Rage Pro graphics card with little memory
> USB mouse
> ISA 33.6 modem by SupraExpress
> External GVC V90 modem on the serial port
> Epson printer
> Umax scanner
> Creative Soundblaster 16 sound card
> You haven't said what hardware you will be using....

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