[nSLUG] Time to upgrade the server OS...

Jonathan Freedman rewt at eghetto.ca
Wed Sep 15 11:46:43 ADT 2004


The entire email was a perfect reason why tecchies need a "buffer" between
them and the suits. But that's just my not-so-humble opinion.

As for the script kiddies bit... If he meant it -literraly- perhaps...

Jonathan

On Wed, 15 Sep 2004, Paul Boudreau wrote:

.oO>Steven R. Baker wrote:
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.oO>>>My desktop at work was running Debian Woody (stable).  I was frustrated
.oO>>>that certain packages were quite far behind current releases, and I wanted
.oO>>>features present in newer versions.  So I decided to upgrade to
.oO>>>"testing".  I changed my /etc/apt/sources.list to reflect that, and
.oO>>>changed my cron-apt to not just download but install the packages
.oO>>>overnight.  When I came in the next day my system was a mess, apt-get was
.oO>>>generating all kinds of errors and wouldn't finish the upgrades without a
.oO>>>lot of intervention, and it took me most of a work day to get things
.oO>>>mostly working.  Some stuff still doesn't work right, and I swear I'm
.oO>>>going to fix it any day now...
.oO>>>
.oO>>>
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.oO>>Well, there are two things that you did wrong.
.oO>>
.oO>>First, you upgraded to "testing", a distribution of Debian which is
.oO>>known to be stability impaired.
.oO>>
.oO>>Second, automating a distribution upgrade is *beyond* stupid.  Use
.oO>>apt-get -d to download only automagically if you must, but take the
.oO>>30-40 minutes out of your busy schedule to watch the package
.oO>>installation.
.oO>>
.oO>>I've done literally *hundreds* of woody->sarge upgrades and they all
.oO>>went smoothly *because* I was watching and interfering where needed.
.oO>>
.oO>>Distribution arguments are uninteresting to me because it seems like a
.oO>>solved problem.  Every distribution supports a different type of user.
.oO>>Debian supports the advanced technical user; Fedora supports the desktop
.oO>>user in need of frequent updates; RedHat and SuSE support corporate
.oO>>users in different ways; Gentoo supports script kiddies.
.oO>>
.oO>>Personally, I use Debian on everything that I run, and Fedora on
.oO>>anything that I expect !me to *ever* use.  I've even been using Fedora
.oO>>on a personal basis more often lately, too.
.oO>>
.oO>>-Steven
.oO>>
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.oO>"Gentoo is for script kiddies". Now that IS beyond stupid.
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.oO>Paul.
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