[nSLUG] On topic of favorite distros, and Linux on the Desktop

Paul Boudreau pbx at eastlink.ca
Fri Mar 5 02:24:18 AST 2004


Rick Franchuk wrote:

>On Thu, 2004-03-04 at 18:18, Paul Boudreau wrote:
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>>You think he's wrong. I think he's right. That's freedom.
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>Actually, I didn't express an opinion one way or the other as to whether
>or not I think he's "wrong" or "right". I was commenting entirely on the
>way he presents his points.
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>In an issue as complex as this, there's going to be points I agree with
>and points I don't. Labelling it as 'wrong' or 'right' is to trivialize
>it and turn it into a sound byte. For the record, I like the idea of OSS
>where people voluntarily invest some time in order to improve a project
>that helps everyone. As someone who makes a living by developing
>software though, I know I wouldn't be able to support myself or my
>family by programming if *all* software was open source. For profit code
>still has a place in my world, and I suspect always will have a place in
>our global community for a long time to come.
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>As for 'freedom', such a trite definition could only be a propogation of
>other similarly trite throwaway sound bytes, most likely from south of
>the border. I assure you that freedom means more than 'thinking you
>disagree'.
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>>There are two points of view, Stallman's and Gates'.
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>I have my own point of view on it too, thanks, although perhaps I'm not
>as zealous as stallman, nor as conspicuously affluent as gates.
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>>Stallman thinks people should have the right to share,
>>distribute and modify software. Gates thinks you shouldn't.
>>Some people think "Open Source" was a good compromise,
>>so did Bill, now you can get M$ Open Source software.
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>Uhm, no. MS OSes are not 'open source'. Under certain very prohibitive
>arrangements you can LOOK at the source, but that's a far cry from what
>OSS stands for.
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>Unless you're referring to OSS running on windows, in which case it's a
>largely moot point... the MS OS is merely a vehicle at that point.
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>>At some point in the future, the GPL will get a thorough
>>testing in the courts and we will see the outcome.
>>Personally, I don't even like to hear about people dual-
>>booting with Windows, doesn't interest me in the least.
>>What interests me is making "everything" work in GNU/Linux. He who risks 
>>nothing, does nothing and becomes nothing.
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>Tony Robbins inspired sloganeering notwithstanding, the fervor you're
>pushing this point with is starting to raise hackles. In a way, it's
>providing a demonstration of my point. I'm sure you're very dedicated to
>the ideals of OSS, but the way you're presenting them is generating a
>negative response from people who don't share the same level of
>intensity, and it's even happening while "preaching to the choir".
>Imagine then what kind of reactions RMS generates when soapboxing to
>people who are indifferent, or hostile, to the idea of OSS.
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With all due deference to your hackles, the episode to which I refer to 
with MS and Open Source is here:

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/exec/craig/05-03sharedsource.asp

Behold the slippery slope known as wince.
I'm just trying not to be boring.



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